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Ec]-[oMaN · Jul 19, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

For me GameGuard spells there really is no consistency checks between the game servers and client, if they need a third party program to try and prevent altering packets/code/execution that spells trouble enough.

Gigashadow · Jul 19, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

It doesn't necessarily mean there are no consistency checks, or that there is little or no checking on packets coming from the client (although these things still could be true). Other reasons for this sort of software include:

1) The client knows more than it exposes to the user, and they don't want third party software to expose that. For example, the radar only displays dots in a frontal arc, but it's pretty obvious from the speed at which things appear when you rapidly spin around, that the client actually has full knowledge of what is around you and is not making roundtrips to the server to get that information.

2) Bots that are more complex than simple keymashers need to understand simple things about the game state. These generally use DLL injection to get into the process, and you want to catch that.

It wouldn't surprise me if the server trusts the client a great deal in Aion, though, as the game performs so well and doesn't rubber band at all (rubber banding usually indicates a resolving of a dead reckoning conflict with "server wins!"). Games tend to do this to gain performance at the expense of security. WoW had this in spades at the beginning, when you could actually teleport anywhere. They gradually improved that over the years, presumably as their server hardware could spare the cycles to do more checking.

pumpkin pie · Jul 29, 2009, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by AKB48

So Aion is more of an Archlord look then? Not bad.

They look like Rohan to me, meaning like any Korean MMORPGs you get, which means its not unique, which means. if the game play is not good, what else is there?
see the top level armor <<mmosite link.

Alleji · Jul 29, 2009, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by thoth_au

I recently saw some screenshots of Aion and immediately thought how similar the hud setup and environment looked to GW, albeit slightly improved graphically.

Really? To me it looks a lot like WoW, minus the five year-old graphics.

It seems Aion devs took the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" approach. Not that I blame them... WoW's popularity is proof enough that it doesn't need fixing and I'm sure players who migrate will feel comfortable seeing these familiar features.

Take a random screenshot from google.

The party window is exactly in the same position as WoW's default and set up the same way... except instead of portraits you have class icons and health bars are red instead of green.

The chat log is exactly the same. Color scheme, message format, even the font, I think... although it's hard to tell since the text is in Korean, but you can see "[1. General] Name: blah blah" in chat.

Same goes for character names and guild tags.

The skill bar is GW-ish, that's about it.

Mordakai · Jul 29, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Alleji

The skill bar is GW-ish, that's about it.

I don't even think the skillbar is GWish.

Looks like every other "more skills is better!" copycat MMORPG.

With potions, too, it looks like. I am so glad GW doesn't have Health and Mana potions (not talking about GW consumables, talking about RPG style Health and Mana potions)

Buster · Jul 29, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Other than flying and it having good graphics it is really nothing to get excited about. Thats why I'll be playing Champions Online instead and I'm sure I'll be back just in time to finished up on some GW stuff to get ready for GW2.

Abedeus · Jul 29, 2009, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Buster

Other than flying and it having good graphics it is really nothing to get excited about. Thats why I'll be playing Champions Online instead and I'm sure I'll be back just in time to finished up on some GW stuff to get ready for GW2.

Did you play it?

Clobimon · Jul 29, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

One can make some pretty darn good looking characters, not unlike GW or what I'm assuming will be even better, GW2. Here are a few shots of the Mage I made during one of the weekend betas:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage3.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage2.jpg

I've played several hours during the betas they've had so far and in my opinion it doesn't 'feel' all that similar to GW. While there are elements that may look similar, whether a tree or mob, it is quite different. I'll be playing it, but at this time it hasn't changed my longtime plan of it filling up time until GW2. If good enough I may play it as well afterward though.

note: I really miss Jeremy Soule music when listening to the music in other games.

Buster · Jul 29, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Did you play it?

Been in the Aion beta for about a month now. Customization is better than GW as well as the graphics but you really aren't missing much as I previously stated. Aug 1st I get a key for Champions Online beta.

Abedeus · Jul 29, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Buster

Been in the Aion beta for about a month now. Customization is better than GW as well as the grpahics but you really aren't missing much as I previously stated. Aug 1st I get a key for Champions Online beta.

Did you get past level 20, i.e. 2/5th of the pre-endgame content for any of the sides? Because, you know, "a month" means "2 weekends", give or take.

Also, I'm getting my CO beta key on 1st too ;d So many great games coming out instead of GW2.

[DE] · Jul 29, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Clobimon

One can make some pretty darn good looking characters, not unlike GW or what I'm assuming will be even better, GW2. Here are a few shots of the Mage I made during one of the weekend betas:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage1.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage3.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...imon/Mage2.jpg

I've played several hours during the betas they've had so far and in my opinion it doesn't 'feel' all that similar to GW. While there are elements that may look similar, whether a tree or mob, it is quite different. I'll be playing it, but at this time it hasn't changed my longtime plan of it filling up time until GW2. If good enough I may play it as well afterward though.

note: I really miss Jeremy Soule music when listening to the music in other games.

She's green. This negates all good looks.

Buster · Jul 29, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Did you get past level 20, i.e. 2/5th of the pre-endgame content for any of the sides? Because, you know, "a month" means "2 weekends", give or take.

Also, I'm getting my CO beta key on 1st too ;d So many great games coming out instead of GW2.

Unfortunatey no Abyss for me. I was pretty much not impressed because everything seemed too familar. The pve is all fedex qests and raid content. I felt like I already played this game before without purchasing it. Also yes, there will be plenty of other great games to play instead of GW like Borderlands, Torchlight and also people will be trying Fallen Earth mmo. Also preparing for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. So Arenanet has a ton of convincing to do to get me to come play GW2.

Abedeus · Jul 29, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Buster

Unfortunatey no Abyss for me. I was pretty much not impressed because everything seemed too familar. The pve is all fedex qests and raid content. I felt like I already played this game before without purchasing it. Also yes, there will be plenty of other great games to play instead of GW like Borderlands, Torchlight and also people will be trying Fallen Earth mmo. Also preparing for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. So Arenanet has a ton of convincing to do to get me to come play GW2.

Seriously? I don't know if there will be anyone interested in playing GW2 by the time it comes out.

Aion, Champions Online, TOR, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, Borderlands (yeah, it looks promising - but so did Hellgate...)... And that's not counting potent single-player games.

Btw: Do you know where we can download the CO client beforehand? You know, so the servers are not blocked up to hell like during the first hours of Aion Closed Betas?

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Originally Posted by [DE]

She's green. This negates all good looks.

That's why people that want nice looking characters go Elyos. They don't have claws or hair on their backs, too.

Buster · Jul 29, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Seriously? I don't know if there will be anyone interested in playing GW2 by the time it comes out.

Aion, Champions Online, TOR, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, Borderlands (yeah, it looks promising - but so did Hellgate...)... And that's not counting potent single-player games.

Btw: Do you know where we can download the CO client beforehand? You know, so the servers are not blocked up to hell like during the first hours of Aion Closed Betas?

That's why people that want nice looking characters go Elyos. They don't have claws or hair on their backs, too.

Until I get my key for CO I have no idea. I got the key from gamerzines promotion so I imagine I will be downloading from Cryptic's site I would imagine.

It is going to be quite interesting to see who will be interested in GW2. Their decision to let Aion take center stage was a bad thing not to mention no real new content or news of GW2 left a sour taste in alot of people. They just better pray Diablo 3 and The Old Republic do not release anywhere near their time to do so.

Clobimon · Jul 29, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by [DE]

She's green. This negates all good looks.

It's a color palette pointer system for skin tone. It didn't look all that green on my monitor, but anyway, can be multitude of shades from dark to white skin to greens and purples.

Clobimon · Jul 29, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Seriously? I don't know if there will be anyone interested in playing GW2 by the time it comes out.

I will be. After playing the game of another company for the past year my eyes have been reopened to how good ANet is. The success of GW from the start when it's competition was the oh-so-popular WoW at it's fairly young age just hitting it's stride... compared to the last few "big" games going against aging games people are growing tired of and pleading for something good and still not doing very well. There very well may and should be more competition at GW2's release, but my guess is that some of the older games and newer ones not doing very well will suffer more.

own age myname · Jul 30, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Seriously? I don't know if there will be anyone interested in playing GW2 by the time it comes out.

Aion, Champions Online, TOR, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, Borderlands (yeah, it looks promising - but so did Hellgate...)... And that's not counting potent single-player games.

I will be interested

All those games you listed I'm not even remotely interest in getting. I'm only awaiting 3 games; Elder Scrolls V, FFXIII, and GW2. Pretty sure I will be able to play and afford all three.

Garreth MacLeod · Jul 30, 2009, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by [DE]

She's green. This negates all good looks.

You've never heard of the Orion Slave Girls?

orion_girl_1.jpg

orion_slave_girl.jpg

Azadaleou · Jul 30, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Aion looks just like Lineage II. It even plays like it.

Regina Buenaobra · Jul 30, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

That's why people that want nice looking characters go Elyos. They don't have claws or hair on their backs, too.

You can get the Asmodians to look stereotypically "pretty" / nice-looking. A lot of the pictures I've seen of Asmodians have them looking like Elyos, but with a different skin color (with claws and back hair, of course).